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  • SpirrwellSpirrwell That Guy Members
    edited 3:43PM
    Ahaha... The more you know...

    Still for October.
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  • Dr. ODr. O Minister of Roggen Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    Patience is a virtue.
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    15:55 - Sir Whiskeyngton: well you're the minister of roggen
    15:55 - Sir Whiskeyngton: you'd just be doing your job
    15:56 - Sir Whiskeyngton: I need to send an army of monks to the enemy
    15:56 - Sir Whiskeyngton: since I'm the minister of propaganda



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    5:22 PM - Felis catus: base64
    5:23 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: nab
    5:23 PM - Felis catus: dr o could translate that without a decoder
    5:23 PM - Felis catus: he is a wizard
    5:23 PM - Felis catus: he actually programmed roggen
    5:24 PM - Felis catus: he programmed the world
    5:24 PM - Felis catus: how it behaves
    5:24 PM - Felis catus: dr o is god
    5:24 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: lol
    5:24 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: you forgot the first commandment
    5:25 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: 1. Thou shalt have no gods; thou shalt only have Budnab.
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: dr o made him
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: dr o defined the gods
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: dr o did everything
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: he is the god

  • SlomuSlomu Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    I would wait for the final product. Had enough with these "early access" types anyway.
  • edited October 2014
    You guys haven't been playing very long have you? If it doesn't get released now, it probably ever won't in the next few years.

    I'd rather get something now and have it worked on gradually then have an update years from now that will more than likely still need to be polished.

    Remember the SharpShooter update?
  • Dr. ODr. O Minister of Roggen Senior
    edited 3:43PM

    You guys haven't been playing very long have you? If it doesn't get released now, it probably ever won't in the next few years.


    I play this game 6 years now, and I see no logic in your implication.


    I'd rather get something now and have it worked on gradually then have an update years from now that will more than likely still need to be polished.


    Polishing is not a matter of years.
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    15:55 - Sir Whiskeyngton: well you're the minister of roggen
    15:55 - Sir Whiskeyngton: you'd just be doing your job
    15:56 - Sir Whiskeyngton: I need to send an army of monks to the enemy
    15:56 - Sir Whiskeyngton: since I'm the minister of propaganda



    5:22 PM - Felis catus: QSBtYW4gY2hvb3NlcywgYSBzbGF2ZSBvYmV5cywgQWxsIHdvcmsgYW5kIG5vIHBsYXkgbWFrZXMgU2lyIFdoaXNrZXluZ3RvbiBhIGR1bGwgYm95Lg==
    5:22 PM - Felis catus: base64
    5:23 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: nab
    5:23 PM - Felis catus: dr o could translate that without a decoder
    5:23 PM - Felis catus: he is a wizard
    5:23 PM - Felis catus: he actually programmed roggen
    5:24 PM - Felis catus: he programmed the world
    5:24 PM - Felis catus: how it behaves
    5:24 PM - Felis catus: dr o is god
    5:24 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: lol
    5:24 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: you forgot the first commandment
    5:25 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: 1. Thou shalt have no gods; thou shalt only have Budnab.
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: dr o made him
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: dr o defined the gods
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: dr o did everything
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: he is the god

  • SpirrwellSpirrwell That Guy Members
    edited 3:43PM
    Dr. O wrote:

    Patience is a virtue.

    I waited for Duke Nukem Forever since I was five years old. Others waited since it was first hinted at its existence. To many, when it was finally released 15 years after its conception, it was a huge disappointment. However, I don't find the game to be as horrible, but it certainly was not as great as it was built up to be. The longer the wait, the greater the disappointment as it simply could not hold up to its own hype. Black Bellamy had said to blame October release voters if the game was shirley for the update being released early.

    Duke Nukem Forever was delayed one more time before release for more polish. The resulting game was still disappointing to many. Granted I'm comparing an update to an entire game, but the concept is the same. I myself find it quite disappointing that a good portion of votes to wait to release it have come from developers\beta testers. Though I suppose who could possibly know the game better than its creators? It won't surprise me so much if the poll is won for October release and ignored for the update to be delayed since its so close. It really isn't up to us.
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  • edited 3:43PM
    Getting hyped!
  • UberMannUberMann Level Designer PVKII Team, Authorized Creator
    edited 3:43PM
    Spirrwell wrote:

    It won't surprise me so much if the poll is won for October release and ignored for the update to be delayed since its so close. It really isn't up to us.


    Sounds to me like you're implying here that the dev team would just ignore the poll in the end and wait with the release anyways. Or maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean, but let me assure you, we are finishing things up as best we possibly can right now, to prepare for the release. It looks quite likely that releasing in October will win and I see no reason why the team couldn't or wouldn't stick with the promise to listen to the community in this case.
  • Dr. ODr. O Minister of Roggen Senior
    edited October 2014
    Spirrwell wrote:

    I waited for Duke Nukem Forever since I was five years old. Others waited since it was first hinted at its existence. To many, when it was finally released 15 years after its conception, it was a huge disappointment. However, I don't find the game to be as horrible, but it certainly was not as great as it was built up to be. The longer the wait, the greater the disappointment as it simply could not hold up to its own hype. Black Bellamy had said to blame October release voters if the game was shirley for the update being released early.

    Duke Nukem Forever was delayed one more time before release for more polish. The resulting game was still disappointing to many. Granted I'm comparing an update to an entire game, but the concept is the same. I myself find it quite disappointing that a good portion of votes to wait to release it have come from developers\beta testers. Though I suppose who could possibly know the game better than its creators? It won't surprise me so much if the poll is won for October release and ignored for the update to be delayed since its so close. It really isn't up to us.


    Duke is not a good example, first of all it's commercial and then there were those company changes. That's why it took so long after all, if nobody pays then nobody develops. You can't really compare this situation to pvk, where people develop and test for free.
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    15:55 - Sir Whiskeyngton: well you're the minister of roggen
    15:55 - Sir Whiskeyngton: you'd just be doing your job
    15:56 - Sir Whiskeyngton: I need to send an army of monks to the enemy
    15:56 - Sir Whiskeyngton: since I'm the minister of propaganda



    5:22 PM - Felis catus: QSBtYW4gY2hvb3NlcywgYSBzbGF2ZSBvYmV5cywgQWxsIHdvcmsgYW5kIG5vIHBsYXkgbWFrZXMgU2lyIFdoaXNrZXluZ3RvbiBhIGR1bGwgYm95Lg==
    5:22 PM - Felis catus: base64
    5:23 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: nab
    5:23 PM - Felis catus: dr o could translate that without a decoder
    5:23 PM - Felis catus: he is a wizard
    5:23 PM - Felis catus: he actually programmed roggen
    5:24 PM - Felis catus: he programmed the world
    5:24 PM - Felis catus: how it behaves
    5:24 PM - Felis catus: dr o is god
    5:24 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: lol
    5:24 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: you forgot the first commandment
    5:25 PM - Sir Whiskeyngton: 1. Thou shalt have no gods; thou shalt only have Budnab.
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: dr o made him
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: dr o defined the gods
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: dr o did everything
    5:25 PM - Felis catus: he is the god

  • KOKORONOKAWARIKOKORONOKAWARI Funny Little Japanese Drawing Person Senior
    edited October 2014
    Spirrwell wrote:

    Granted I'm comparing an update to an entire game, but the concept is the same.


    It is not. It will not take "years" to polish and fix issues.

    I myself find it quite disappointing that a good portion of votes to wait to release it have come from developers\beta testers.


    Because it does not coincide with your vote you should not condemn them. There were testers/devs who voted for October as well, so I do not see the problem.

    It won't surprise me so much if the poll is won for October release and ignored for the update to be delayed since its so close. It really isn't up to us.


    Then why make the poll. Doomsday thoughts -->

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  • SpirrwellSpirrwell That Guy Members
    edited October 2014
    UberMann wrote:

    Sounds to me like you're implying here that the dev team would just ignore the poll in the end and wait with the release anyways. Or maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean, but let me assure you, we are finishing things up as best we possibly can right now, to prepare for the release. It looks quite likely that releasing in October will win and I see no reason why the team couldn't or wouldn't stick with the promise to listen to the community in this case.

    I said "since it's so close." Actually that's not true, I made a typo, I said "since its so close." It honestly really really really really really really bothers me that this poll was even presented though I haven't expressed it so much. In my opinion, if there was any doubt whatsoever that the update might not have made it in October, it should not have been presented as though it were going to be released and then later asked if it should be released later. If the poll is lost, either way it is a broken promise. That is just the way that I see things. I'm sorry if that seems like an arrogant attitude seeing as the game is developed for free, but is what I see.

    Dr. O wrote:

    Duke is not a good example, first of all it's commercial and then there were those company changes. That's why it took so long after all, if nobody pays then nobody develops. You can't really compare this situation to pvk, where people develop and test for free.

    The company changes occurred in 2009. 2 years later it was released. In 2009 when 3DRealms was shutdown, it was still developed by people before it went to the big company Gearbox who those people who did work on it are now known as Triptych. Without those people who bridged the gap, we likely wouldn't have it all.


    It is not. It will not take "years" to polish and fix issues.



    Because it does not coincide with your vote you should not condemn them. There were testers/devs who voted for October as well, so I do not see the problem.



    Then why make the poll. Doomsday thoughts -->

    I'm not condemning them for their votes being against what I want. It just makes me think, that if not for the poll there probably would be no hope this month at all for anything.
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  • Black BellamyBlack Bellamy Senior
    edited October 2014
    Spirrwell wrote:

    I said "since it's so close." Actually that's not true, I made a typo, I said "since its so close." It honestly really really really really really really bothers me that this poll was even presented though I haven't expressed it so much. In my opinion, if there was any doubt whatsoever that the update might not have made it in October, it should not have been presented as though it were going to be released and then later asked if it should be released later. If the poll is lost, either way it is a broken promise. That is just the way that I see things. I'm sorry if that seems like an arrogant attitude seeing as the game is developed for free, but is what I see.


    The company changes occurred in 2009. 2 years later it was released. In 2009 when 3DRealms was shutdown, it was still developed by people before it went to the big company Gearbox who those people who did work on it are now known as Triptych. Without those people who bridged the gap, we likely wouldn't have it all.


    I'm not condemning them for their votes being against what I want. It just makes me think, that if not for the poll there probably would be no hope this month at all for anything.
    They could have just forced us to wait longer if they wanted im grateful they gave us the option
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  • SpirrwellSpirrwell That Guy Members
    edited October 2014

    They could have just forced us to wait longer if they wanted im grateful they gave us the option

    That's exactly my point. It's a broken promise. I wish it would simply have been released in October rather than create a poll at all even if it were unpolished.

    That's just how I see it.
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  • JuicyfruitJuicyfruit PVKII Team, Beta Tester
    edited 3:43PM
    Try to think not that we are breaking promises and more that we want to give you the best gaming experience we can. October was a good estimate I think, we maybe got it wrong by a couple of weeks. It's hard to tell in game development, sometimes things don't go the way you think they will. Such is life. Either way the vote goes, I'm sure you will be happy with the release. :)
  • Links121995Links121995 Beta Tester, Authorized Creator
    edited 3:43PM
    The arguments for releasing early seem to come from positions of:

    -Impatience
    -Mistrust
    -Impressionability
    -Science
    -Community

    Meanwhile, the arguments for finishing the version come from positions of:

    -Patience (in one way or another)
    -Respect
    -Standards
    -Rebellion

    That's my analysis of them. A handy summary of positions for each side to strike at.
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  • SpirrwellSpirrwell That Guy Members
    edited 3:43PM
    Sides? Motives? This isn't an argument or fight. It's opinion.
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  • KOKORONOKAWARIKOKORONOKAWARI Funny Little Japanese Drawing Person Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    Spirrwell wrote:

    That's exactly my point. It's a broken promise. I wish it would simply have been released in October rather than create a poll at all even if it were unpolished.


    Broken promise? October is not over. It is giving power to the people with the poll. It could've just been said "yeah ok it is going to be delayed lawl." Not everyone can be happy it seems no matter how much we try to.

    If you are referring to it being "finished" in October as a broken promise, well, shirley happens. Highly successful games have delays as well in their patches. Should we refrain from giving any date and just let it come out whenever in the future without warning? At the very least, there is knowledge of how close it is. Just releasing an unfinished version like that would have created a greater chaos than giving this choice to the community. I cannot understand why all this upsets you as much as it does as well when you said "quit" and "retired" on two different occasions regarding you and this game.

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  • Chedda CheezChedda Cheez Senior
    edited October 2014
    What he really seems to mean is that we were given a release window, then a poll that could break the release window. I would suppose then that the poll merely happening can be seen as a sort of breach of what we believed was going to happen as officially slated, but personally I'm just happy to know the update is close regardless.

    Not everyone will be happy either way, but we'll all be happy eventually either way. :icon_viking2:
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  • AstragorAstragor Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    Release the unfinished version. A new class is the main thing that we need. As long as it is there, it's cool. Just work and test the game while others enjoy the new class - that's the right thing to do in my opinion.
  • Immortal ZoddImmortal Zodd Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    Just wanted to thank all the developers for their hard work. You guys made a kick-ass mod. Thank you for PVK!!!
  • Noah es FrioNoah es Frio Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    I don't know why all of you are acting like without this poll, the devs would have just delayed the game, and that we should be grateful that they are giving us the option to have it now. In fact, I think it is the opposite. Without this poll they would have just released the unfinished version in October, and we should be grateful that they are giving us the option to wait for the finished version if we would prefer. At least, that's the way I see it. It just makes sense that way, because they would give priority to keeping the promise to release in October, but of course there is no point in keeping the promise if the majority of the community would rather wait. That's why the poll was made. But since it seems the majority of people want the update in October, finished or not, it will be released in October. I think a lot of you are looking too far into this. That's all there is to it.
  • CrazytalkCrazytalk Terminator PVKII Team
    edited October 2014
    Noah's assessment is the most accurate.

    We always had full intentions on releasing this month. We just weren't at the state we hoped to be at, so we wanted to give our fans the option.

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  • KNUDA.knatchKNUDA.knatch Senior
    edited October 2014
    I'm usually very impatient with pvkii patches since they come around every 2 years or so but if we're talking a month or two extra to get it just right I'd say hold off until it's all done. Can't believe I voted for delaying a new patch but here we are.
  • OPlatypusOPlatypus nigga Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    How I see this patch is as a carpenter's chair. Let me explain: there is this skilled carpenter who is building this beautiful chair wooden for his bestfriend. The chair looks perfect, awesome design, it's sanded and it is very comfortable. BUT the paint needs to be done, the bestfriend insists to receive the chair his friend worked so hard on, the paint can be put on later it works just fine, BUT (again) the carpenter is just a perfectionist. The chair works just fine without the paint, on the flip side the chair will be much better with paint on.

    Did I make sense? Or am I just blubbering nonsense?
  • Echo of the pastEcho of the past Members, Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    OPlatypus wrote:

    How I see this patch is as a carpenter's chair. Let me explain: there is this skilled carpenter who is building this beautiful chair wooden for his bestfriend. The chair looks perfect, awesome design, it's sanded and it is very comfortable. BUT the paint needs to be done, the bestfriend insists to receive the chair his friend worked so hard on, the paint can be put on later it works just fine, BUT (again) the carpenter is just a perfectionist. The chair works just fine without the paint, on the flip side the chair will be much better with paint on.

    Did I make sense? Or am I just blubbering nonsense?


    It's more like a chair with a missing leg right now.
  • Dr. ODr. O Minister of Roggen Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    OPlatypus wrote:

    How I see this patch is as a carpenter's chair. Let me explain: there is this skilled carpenter who is building this beautiful chair wooden for his bestfriend. The chair looks perfect, awesome design, it's sanded and it is very comfortable. BUT the paint needs to be done, the bestfriend insists to receive the chair his friend worked so hard on, the paint can be put on later it works just fine, BUT (again) the carpenter is just a perfectionist. The chair works just fine without the paint, on the flip side the chair will be much better with paint on.

    Did I make sense? Or am I just blubbering nonsense?


    Paint is crucial, otherwise the wood will get spots, let's say if someone drops ketchup on it.
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  • Black BellamyBlack Bellamy Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    Them conspiracy theories tho
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  • Chedda CheezChedda Cheez Senior
    edited October 2014
    PVKII Release Poll Thread, conspiracies and chair care general.

    Let's not be so negative and say the chair just has a stumpy leg. That way it's hella fun to rock around with.
    Or be annoying. But that's for grumps.

    /metaphors
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  • OPlatypusOPlatypus nigga Senior
    edited 3:43PM



    It's more like a chair with a missing leg right now.


    Maybe that is the kind of information Spirrwell (or Goodbye idk what is up with that) wanted to hear in the first place: how much polishing the game needs. So more of us can make a more educated decision
  • MihanDeNoobMihanDeNoob Senior
    edited 3:43PM
    Cant wait till the update, It so close! Yes, mb there will be some problems... but its better then nothing. Just look at Dark Souls PvP combat, nothing can be worse then that shiet.
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